The Universe is a Mirror

What we put out we get back. It is the universal law of karma.

But karma is not the big stick of judgement you think it is.

The universe doesn’t judge us for our actions.

It only reflects back to us, the energy we give out. Both the good and the bad.

Understanding how all this works, will change your life as you know it.

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Andrew Hackett: Good day and welcome to Illimitable Living. I'm Andrew Hackett, and I'm here to talk to you about everything that the world needs to discuss about living a life free from fear's restricted boundaries, so that you can not only live a limitless life, but so that you can become truly illimitable.

I am here from sunny Australia, talking with my remarkable cohost, Patricia Morris, who has her own highly successful podcast series, delving into the mysteries of the universe and how we live within it. 

Good day everyone, you're listening to Illimitable Living, pure freedom without limits. I'm Andrew Hackett, and I'm here talking with Patricia Morris, a wonderful lady from the USA that helps me talk about the whole range of topics that I think we really need to be talking about, rather than a lot of the rubbish that we're seeing on mainstream media, for instance. 

Good day Patricia, how are you doing today? 

Patricia Morris: I am doing great, thank you. I loved that last sentence of yours. That was perfect.

Andrew Hackett: I don't know. I've been banging my head against the wall lately with ... I know you guys over there in the US are kind of caught in a political election cycle. We're the same in Australia as well at the moment. We're going to an election in the next month or two, and to be quite honest with you, I'm completely over it already. Just the bickering and the carry on, and the nonsense. I just don't know. I don't like the energy that it's creating either for all of us. 

Patricia Morris: Oh, right. Something's got to change in that regard because-

Andrew Hackett: Ain't that the truth.

Patricia Morris: ... it's like it's just getting ... Yeah, anyway, I don't want to open that can.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah. We could be carrying on about that ourselves. That's quite a while.

Patricia Morris: Yes, we could.

Andrew Hackett: So tell me, what did you want to chat about this week? I'm really excited to know.

Patricia Morris: Well, a lot of talk in circles like this where personal development, spirituality, whatever you want to call is, there's a common phrase of, "What you put out comes back to you." I'd like to talk about that further because there are a million different ways to say it. Many ways that would resonate with people, just no matter how it's said. So for me, I've always known it as, "What you put out comes back to you." 

Andrew Hackett: Yeah. Great. 

Patricia Morris: Mm-hmm (affirmative). So I'd love to talk about that, because I think it's a very important topic along the personal development lines.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah, I completely agree with you. And look, you're right, there's a million different ways to label this, I suppose you could say. As far as I'm concerned, from nearly everything from a spiritual, personal development perspective, we're not inventing anything new here. All we're doing is relabeling, rehashing the same old stuff that's been spoken about for millennia. 

Ultimately speaking, we're just putting our own particular angle on it, our own cultural angle on it, our own angle on it based on where we live, and all sorts of a whole range of things. So yes, you're right. Even a lot of spiritual texts talks about this idea of, "What you put out, you get back."

Some cultures refer to it as Karma. There is a lot of spiritual movements associated, like The Secret, like The Law of Attraction, a whole range of different things. I tend to see it in a slightly different way. I tend to see it more like, that the universe is a mirror, that the universe reflects back to us what we put out.

I love this topic as well. I'm really passionate about this because a lot of people, and I believe Western society particularly, have completely misunderstood Karma. They believe that Karma in itself is like some big stick of judgment, that the universe judges you. You've done something wrong, you haven't done the right thing, and therefore it whacks you with its big stick of judgment. 

I know, to me it sounds a little ridiculous really because in a lot of aspects, I don't think the universe is judgmental at all. In the same way, I don't believe in a God that is judgmental. Look, I don't want to get caught into religious discussions and everything like that because everybody's got the right to believe exactly what they want to believe, and I fully honor them for that.

But Karma is not actually an act of judgment at all, by the universal, or by God. What Karma is in my opinion is it is in fact a reflection. It is in fact a thing. Now, the reason why I say that Western societies have got Karma all wrong and they think it's a big stick of judgment, is usually because they associate it to when someone does something wrong. 

Someone hurts someone, someone yells and screams, and someone abuses someone, or manipulate someone, it doesn't matter, that the universe then comes back and judges them and gives them that same experience in reverse. So someone then suddenly starts judging them in return. 

Now, I think what it is, is the reason why Western society have gotten into this opinion associated with Karma and all that sort of stuff is because it's easier to see negative things when they come back to you, because you know the way our brain is. Our brain is 80% wired to see negative things, that's part of our fight and flight survival response back from our caveman days. 

But ultimately speaking, it's easy to see negativity when it comes back at you. It's often missed, when you do something really nice for someone or you do good things for good people, and all that sort of stuff, the universe then of course, it reflects back to you. It's just a mirror. Karma's a mirror and it reflects good things back to you in return. 

We often miss that. We often don't see that. Maybe that's because we're caught in our ego. Maybe because we're just unconscious most of the time, or we're not listening to really what's actually happening. We're not seen the reality of our life experience. That's why I think this is so important that we start to recognize that what we put out, comes back. 

Our thoughts, our feelings, our actions, the choices we are making are a signal that gets sent out to the universe, and the universe takes that signal and goes, "Okay, I understand. The choice you have made is that this is what you want to experience as your life experience," and then it sends back to you amplified. To me, it's very straightforward.

As a concept, if we start to recognize it in every moment of our life, we can start to see the benefits, not just to us, but the benefits to other people that come from putting others first, that come from doing the so-called, right thing. That come from analyzing and understanding that when we are making choices that aren't helpful for us, that the reason why the universe reflects this back to us is to give us the perspective of the other person, to give us the perspective of what happens when someone receives that negative energy.

Ultimately speaking, I love this topic, the whole universe is a mirror aspect. The same with the law of attraction, and all this sort of stuff, it's all the same thing. As well as the very famous franchise of The Secret. It's all about what we put out, we get back. 

Patricia Morris: Right. I have a question for you on that, Andrew. I realize this could be a new concept for some of our listeners, and what would you say would be a common way this happens in most people's lives, just so they can kind of understand the process, and how it may already be working for them, and how they can maybe take it a step further from that?

Andrew Hackett: Okay. Yeah, a great question. Look, a really easy example to come up with, money. Money for a lot of people is a bit of a dirty thing, and that's because a lot of people create a lot of negative connotations around money, based not on money itself. What they're focusing on is what people are choosing to do with money. People use money for purposes of greed. People use money for purposes of doing wrong by others. 

But the interesting thing is people also use money for doing right by others. Philanthropy is a growing concern all over the world, where people are in fact, using their money more and more, particularly rich people because they suddenly start to realize that  once they've got enough money to pay their bills and to put food on the table, and keep their families safe and happy, once they've got that money, the rest of it's irrelevant. They might as well be giving it all away because there's nothing else to do with it.

You can only have so many cars, so many boats, so many houses, and all that sort stuff. They actually, more to the point, start to realize that money in itself actually doesn't make you happy. So I think a lot of people have negative connotations associated with money, and I did for many, many years as well.

Partly that was because I think we give too much weight to the energy that is money. Money is just an energy. It's not an evil thing. It is whatever we think about it. And so, what happens is too many people think that money's going to make them happy. So they spend all of their time, their thoughts, their feelings, and their choices are based around the fact that they don't have enough money. 

Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together here. If you are always thinking and feeling that you don't have enough money, and the universe is not judging you, it's not judgmental at all. The universe is just reflecting it back like a mirror. A mirror doesn't alter anything. A mirror, it doesn't change what is in the mirror, the mirror only reflects back. It's true. It's honest. It's completely nonjudgmental. 

Our thoughts about what we see in the mirror are judgmental, and are often dishonest and untrue. Absolutely. But that's our fault. That's not the mirror's fault. The mirror is just reflecting back. So if you are always thinking that you don't have enough money, and you're always feeling you don't have enough money, surely what is the universe kind of reflect back to you?

The universe is going to take that signal that you sent out that says, "I don't have enough money." It's going to take that signal and it's going to go, "Okay Andrew, that's what you want to experience in life because that's all you're thinking about and all you're feeling, I am going to give you that experience back in life." And so, strangely enough, you then manifested through your own thoughts and feelings, the experience of not having enough money. 

Patricia Morris: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Wow.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah. So this is an interesting thing. So as a consultant for many years, look, I haven't had a hard life in regards to working. I've worked very, very hard for it, and I've constantly improved my professional capability and everything like that over many, many years. So look, I haven't come from poverty. 

I came from a middle class family and all that sort of stuff when I grew up, but I certainly haven't come from a state of poverty. So I just wanted to set that context and be very open and honest about that. But having said that, for many, many years, for some 20 odd years, I was caught in my head as a result of the sexual abuse I experienced as a teenager, and the downward cycle that that put me in. The living my life in the bottom of a bottle, which certainly didn't help me make any good choices. Then over time I worried about money all the time. I just did, even though I had more money than most people, I worried about money all the time. 

Now, the interesting thing was, is I woke up to myself one day and thought, "Hold on a second Andrew, you're not practicing what you're preaching here." It was the one aspect, probably there were a few others as well, I'm sure. But there was one particular aspect that I recognize that in fact I needed to improve on. 

So I said to myself, "All right, from this day onwards, I'm just not going to worry about money anymore. As soon as I have a thought that is about money or not being able to pay bills or whatever like that, I'm going to get rid of it. I'm just going to love the thought, I'm going to go, 'I don't need you anymore' and I'm going to let it go about its way." 

That was ... I don't know, about ... I don't know, that was five or six years ago now. Strangely enough, the recognizing that was created by a massive rock bottom that I hit as a result of the separation of my marriage. Everybody knows that that is not only incredibly emotionally draining and psychologically draining, it can also be quite financially draining as well. 

Yeah, that's right. So I hit financial rock bottom. In fact, one day I even had debt collectors turn up on my door to repossess a vehicle. So to me, that was as rock bottom as I ever wanted to get. As it turns out, it was actually due to a misunderstanding, and everything like that, on both party's behalf. I definitely contributed to that misunderstanding, there's no question about that. But hey, look, it was definitely a clear message from the universe to say, "Andrew, you're manifesting the wrong things here." 

So I then made the decision, "I'm not going to worry about money anymore." I've got to tell everybody right now, is from that moment onwards, I have never, ever had to worry about money. I was completely manufacturing it all in my own mind by worrying about money.

A lot of people say, "How do I unblock this whole money thing?" I said, "Well, stop worrying about it. Stop thinking about the fact that you don't have enough." I say to people all the time, "Have you not always paid your bills? Have you not always had enough to put food on your table and to pay your bills and stuff?" 

Look, some weeks I haven't, I've been late on a bill or been late on a credit card payment, or maybe even late on a mortgage payment, and that happens. That's what physical life is all about. We all are in that situation from time to time. But as soon as I stopped worrying about money, as I say, money stopped worrying about me. 

Patricia Morris: Andrew, thank you. Sorry if I'm interrupting, but I just to tell you I needed to hear that. Thank you. I'm going to be a little bit vulnerable here because this has been something I've been struggling with all week, and it can go very deep for a lot of people, the money subject. For me, it goes very deep in the aspect of I grew up very poor, so we never had money for even food sometimes, or even clothes. Yeah, it was a hard childhood sometimes not having money.

So growing up I had ... I grew up with this lack in my brain of money, thinking there was never going to be enough money for anything. And so, I've carried that into my adult life, and it's very, very deep root, and in fact I think there are some past life stuff on that as well, but it's showing up very strongly in this life I think to finally heal.

It is something I'm working on, but how it was showing up this last week for me was, I'm starting a new business venture, and it's costing a large amount of money to put forth this project. We have gone way over budget, probably by 30 or 40,000 dollars. We're like, "Where is all this money going to come from?" 

So all this old deep rooted stuff from childhood is now coming up. The lack of not having enough money, and all that stuff, has been coming up from you this week. Trying to deal with that and trying to heal that, trying to reprogram my brain so that this doesn't plague me anymore, has been a challenge. I will admit it has been a challenge.

What you just said completely resonated, because I have been trying to work on that, and then just bam, the simple phrase of, "Don't worry about it anymore." I know these things logically, right? But sometimes we just get so caught up in the everyday, "Oh no, where are we going to get 30 and 40,000 dollars?" That thought just kind of leaves your mind until somebody brings it back to your consciousness. So thank you for that. I just wanted to put that out there, that story, because we all do it. We all do it in some way. 

Andrew Hackett: Yeah, look, absolutely. Yeah, look, without a doubt. There's actually a label that they use for it, it's called, poverty consciousness. What it is ... and look, I did some work with a remarkable older couple who definitely throughout spend their entire life in this poverty consciousness, where they don't heat their house properly because they're worried about it costing too much. They don't water their garden properly because they're worried about it costing too much. 

But the fascinating thing is, is that they're actually quite well-to-do. They certainly have more money than most. They're retired and they live very, very comfortably. But the poverty consciousness has come from both of them being raised through the Depression, the Great Depression. 

For them, having a life in the past of not being able to feed themselves and things like that when they were younger, and also, they've spent a lot of their time in a charitable sense, raising money for orphanages and stuff around the world, and making sure that those orphans have certain medical apparatus, and things like that or need, that they don't normally have the money for. They're remarkable people, really, really beautiful, remarkable people.

But they live in this poverty consciousness. Like for instance, when they go out to lunch, they don't order two meals, they order one meal and they split it. I find it a fascinating case study. And what I talk about is, it's we need to ... ultimately speaking, what they're doing is they're creating the life that they're experiencing. They're actually through their thoughts, their feelings and their actions, in fact manifesting a tight monetary existence.

When in fact, in reality, from someone from the outside looking in, I don't think they need to at all because they're actually doing very well for themselves. So it's this fascinating aspect, this poverty consciousness, that we can often get caught up in. The problem is, is it also self-perpetuates itself. It creates its own energy, so to speak, and keeps you in that cycle until you get your head out of that cycle and change the way you think about money. 

Patricia Morris: Yes, yes. That is so true. It's back to what our topic is, of as far as that reflecting back to the universe because it really is all about our intentions. Because when you were speaking, a thought came to mind of, I know a family here who lives very humbly, and you would never know that they have millions of dollars in the bank, but they live very humbly. They don't have fancy cars, they don't have a big house, they don't have all these things. They do share meals and things like that. 

As you were speaking, I was thinking of that, and I thought, "Huh, I wonder why that hasn't manifested that way for them?" It's because again, what they're reflecting is not that they don't have enough money for things, or that they're going to run out of the money they do have. It's more of they've just learned to be happy with living a simpler life. 

Andrew Hackett: Yeah. Look, I really honor that too. Yeah, that's really beautiful. 

Patricia Morris: Yeah, and some people, they like a simpler life. Some people like more of the fancy stuff and that's okay too. But for them, that's why it's manifesting that way for them, rather than, most people would look at them and say, "Oh, they're just living from a place of lack or whatever," and they're not. It's because they're happy that way. They want to live simply and that's the signal they're putting out to the universe. 

Andrew Hackett: Yeah, look and I totally get that as well. I'm very much the same in a lot of aspects too because it's the reason why I bought the farm many years ago was because I wanted to get back to simple living. Growing my own food and getting back to the earth, and trying to understand all of that, because life had just become too unnecessarily complex from me. 

Where everything was ... consumerism was absolutely rife, and if not, even a priority in my life, and I just, I didn't feel right about that. I wanted to get back to real simple basics. In turn the universe really repaid me in that as well, because it really helped to change my perspective on life, which is a perspective I really wanted to change as well. 

Patricia Morris: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, love it. I just thought of another subject we could talk about, getting back to basics.

Andrew Hackett: Oh, yes.

Patricia Morris: You have a ton of experienced on that it sounds like. So yeah, we'll have to do that for another day. 

Andrew Hackett: Great idea. Let's write it down. So thinking back to the universe, and the universe being a mirror. The best way to try and get our heads across is to become consciously aware of how that plays out in our life. Become consciously aware of what we're doing. They talk about the fact that everything ... our behavior, so the way people act is actually a reflection of themselves. 

So the way we act is a reflection of us, what's going on in us. So if we're out there attacking people or we're really unhappy, and all that sort of stuff, obviously there's something not quite aligned with ourselves, and the way we think about ourselves. In the same way, if someone attacks us, if someone's verbally attacking us, or talking badly about us and all that sort of stuff, that's not about us at all, that's actually about them. 

By understanding the whole the universe is mirror concept, we can start to also reflect back on the fact that the universe reflects back to them, thoughts that they're having about themselves. It only reflects to them what they're putting out. It doesn't reflect to us about what they're putting out. So where I'm going with this, is ultimately speaking, we need to allow the universe just to be the universe, to do what it does. 

If someone is attacking us, once upon a time I'd get my back up and get angry and respond with my ego in full trigger. But nowadays, I sit back with a new belief around it going, "Well, that's between them and the universe. What they're doing, what they're putting out is between them and the universe. It's got nothing to do with me, even though I might be kind of on the receiving end of it, or it might in fact look like it's been targeted at me, it really isn't. It's not about me at all. It's about them." 

We can start to be a little bit more compassionate about the choices that we then make in response to it. And you know what's going to happen then? Of course the universe being the nonjudgmental reflection like a mirror, it then starts to send back to me that same compassion that I am offering then to others. 

You see the flow on effect? It's like this whole pay it forward aspect, instead of judging someone, why don't we pay it forward? Why don't we be nice and be compassionate, and try and help that person with what's going on for them? The first step to that is we first must recognize that their behaviors, their choices, are not about us. It's not an attack on us at all. It's not a judgment on us. It's in fact all about them. 

If we can do that, we can start to be a little bit more compassionate, a little bit more understanding in what we're trying to do. In turn, it changes the energy. We become less reactionary. We become more understanding as well. Of course, the universe starts to reflect that back to us as well, and we start to experience things. We physically start to experience less people having a go at us, less people being judgmental of us because we're not being judgmental. 

You know, I've met some people, and it's one of the reasons why, one of the first exercises I do in any type of coaching that I do with people, and all that sort of stuff, is to get people to recognize how often they are judgmental in their life. 

Patricia Morris: Most of the times it's judgment towards themselves.

Andrew Hackett: Oh, very much so.

Patricia Morris: And not about ...

Andrew Hackett: Yes,

Patricia Morris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Andrew Hackett: Yes, very much, yes.

Patricia Morris: They probably are easier on others, but harder on themselves, and that's judgment too.

Andrew Hackett: Correct. That's right. I think when we run through the exercise, we actually start ... and the result is always the same. You know, I have to say this, everybody comes back to me and goes, "Oh my God, I've been judgmental all the time. In fact, I got so sick of being judgmental, it just was driving me ... I think I just felt like the most awful person."

I said, "Well, the first thing you've got to do is don't judge yourself for being judgmental." We all do that. We suddenly go, "Oh my God, I'm being really judgmental. That's awful. I'm not a nice person." I say, "Well, hold on a second. Stop. You just judged yourself."

Look, judgment is an interesting thing, and the way we see each other ... sorry, the way we see ourselves is different. So men can often stand in a mirror, and although we might be middle-aged, balding and overweight, like I'm certainly heading down that path, but what we see in the mirror though, is I see these Greek Adonis. This strong, Thor, type of Chris Hemsworth, type of figure. 

That's just the way males see ourselves in the mirror. We see ourselves as slimmer and stronger, and broader, and sexier, than what we probably are in reality. Whereas women on the other hand, they could be the most gorgeous woman on the world, standing in front of a mirror and they see themselves as fattier and heavier, and uglier than what they are in reality. It's just different ways the ego plays out.

It's just a very, very good analogy to see the way we are judging ourselves. The judgment that happens towards ourselves is chronic. It's an absolute epidemic in my opinion. In fact, we're taught to judge people. Society dictates that we should judge people. In fact, we get judged by people when we don't judge people. 

Compassionate, understanding people often targeted for not being judgmental, and all that sort of stuff. We've got to start to see the lunacy in that, the madness, the insanity in that, because really what right do we have to judge? Doesn't everybody have the right to believe, to think and to feel however they choose? 

Patricia Morris: That is right. And not only that, but we have no idea what people are going through in their lives, that have put them in the place they're in. We can't judge that. There's no way. If we could have a window into everybody's life and see what they're actually going through, we wouldn't judge. 

Andrew Hackett: Look, I completely agree. There's one thing that gives me a bit of a ray of hope. I've got a particular post on Facebook that I put out all of the time. It's my favorite post and as it turns out, it's also the one that's most responded to. It's been liked thousands of times, shared thousands of more times.

It's a very simple, four piece post which talks about the fact that everybody has a battle going on in their heads that we know nothing about. What we need to do, we need to offer compassion to what we don't understand, not judgment. That battle with themselves, it's always with themselves. It's not a battle with anything external. The battle's always with their ego, and people resonate with that because people know when they feel that, they see that. 

These posts that I put out on Facebook are all about trying to get people just to think about things from a slightly different perspective. This is why I talk so readily also about this universe is a mirror idea. It's a very simple concept. It's not one I've invented at all. It's very strongly based on the principles of Karma, the laws of Karma. It's very principally based on the law of attraction aspect, and all that sort of stuff, and what you put out, you get back.

It's just, the universe is a mirror, and everybody knows what a mirror is. Everybody knows that whatever you put in front of the mirror, gets reflected back to it. That's the way I want people to see the universe, because then what it does is it starts to get people to take responsibility for their actions. It starts to get them to take responsibility for the choices that they're making, and how more importantly, those choices are influencing their life experience. 

I think if more and more of us start thinking along those lines, we actually then start to realize, "You know what? I might start making a few better choices." Because one, maybe selfishly it'll start to feed back to me in a more positive way and I'll start to experience a more happy experience, but then we start to lead down the path of other beneficial things, like doing the right thing by others, and helping others move forward, and all that sort of stuff, because then that starts to reflect back on us as well.

Patricia Morris: Yes, yes. So I wanted to ask you something along those lines. You mentioned earlier in our conversation something about an exercise you take people through. Is that something that you offer in your newly launched masterclass, or is this something that you do with coaching clients? I'm just kind of curious what that exercise is, and what you do with it?

Andrew Hackett: Yeah, very much and happy to explain it as well. Yes, I do do it with all my coaching clients, and I have also included it as a core lesson in my masterclass. So thank you for mentioning that. The whole idea, ultimately speaking is, I say to people, "Go and get yourself a small diary, and in that diary, write Judgment, at the top of the first page." I send them on a path for a week to get them to start recognizing what ... First of all, how often they are being judgmental about things, and more importantly, what they're being judgmental about. 

It's the most remarkably simple exercise. But if you do it over a period of a week, you start to see patterns in your judgmental behavior. And in turn, the first realization that everybody has is, "Oh my God, I'm judgmental all the time. I'm being judgmental about everything, about myself, about the people at the shopping center, about what they're wearing. People in the office, about how they're treating people." All this sort of stuff. 

"I'm judgmental about my kids. I'm judgmental about my partner." You've got to be very, very careful it doesn't send you around the bend, because you suddenly start to realize ... and partly it's because society has preconditioned us to be judgmental. That judgment is okay, that we in fact are not doing the right thing by everybody else if we are not judging those around us.

What I'm trying to do is try and bring some real awareness to it to say, "You know what? Judgment is actually not okay at all. Judgment is a fear based construct created by the ego to keep us disconnected from everybody else." Ultimately speaking, what we truly desire in life, what our heart truly ... our inspiration, our soul needs on a daily basis is to connect with people. 

But we can go all day without connecting with a soul most days. Whether that's 10 people, 20 people, 100 hundred people, we just don't connect anymore. And that ultimately means because we're running around judging people. Nobody wants to connect with someone they're being judged by. That's just human instinct. That's just common sense-

Patricia Morris: Right.

Andrew Hackett: ... if anything. Yeah. So the process is, is to keep this judgment diary for about a week, where every time you judgmental about something, make a mental Rolodex of it, and then when you get an opportunity write into it, "What was I judgmental about today?" All of the different things. You start seeing the reality of the fact that you were judging everyone. 

Then you start to realize when we then get into the universe is a mirror or lesson, then you start to realize, "Well, hold on a second. That's why everybody's judging me." You know what I mean? And all that sort of stuff, because I'm actually the one creating and manifesting that experience into my life. 

It starts to get people to understand, and more to the point, take responsibility for the fact that their lives are in this certain situation. It doesn't matter what the situation is, their lives are in the certain situation that they're experiencing because they are creating it. Nobody else can create your life experience, only you can. In fact, you're the only being in the entire universe that can create your life experience. And until we take responsibility for that, nothing is going to change. 

Patricia Morris: That is correct. Amen. 

Andrew Hackett: So remember, just as a recap, before we finish off, the universe, it's a mirror. Karma is not a big stick of judgment. Karma will happily and gleefully respond back to you, mirror back to you, send back to you, an amplified signal of what you're putting out. And if you are doing good things for other, it will happily send that signal back to you and have others do good things for you. It's a universal law. It cannot be changed. It is the same for absolutely everyone. You can ignore it, you can be unconscious to it if you want, but it's still going to happen.

So as I say to some people, "You can believe whatever you want to believe, but it doesn't change universal laws." Universal laws are what they are and we all must work within them. What we need to do is we need to figure out a way to get those universal laws working for us, and not against us.

Patricia Morris: Yes. Yeah. Exactly. 

Andrew Hackett: That's right. So the universe doesn't judge, it just reflects back like a mirror, everything you do. If you are offering anger, frustration, hate, judgment, to other people, you know what the universe is going to reflect back to you, that same hate, anger, frustration, judgment and everything like that. That's what it's going to reflect back to you. 

However, if you are offering to the people around you, to your family, to the universe as a whole, compassion and understanding, and love, and peace, and happiness and joy, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the universe is going reflect back to you. 

Patricia Morris: Yes, yes. One thing too about judgment is you can also have that opportunity to ask yourself, "Where is this coming from?" I mean, there are so many different layers that you can hit in evaluating all the judgments you make about yourself and others.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah.

Patricia Morris: Yeah.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah. Fabulous. Wonderful. So thank you everyone. I think we're pretty much running out of time now. Thank you so much for joining us, and thank you Patricia. I love these podcasts, and the conversations that we have and get into. I really appreciate your time. 

Patricia Morris: Oh yes. I really appreciate you working with me too, and I'm just excited because we could just talk forever on some of this stuff. I love it, and I know we have time constraints, but yeah, I really enjoy doing this with you, and enjoy bringing all this out to our listeners as well. 

Andrew Hackett: Very much so, and thank you again. Look, I do hope everybody else is enjoying it as well. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast so you can get the notifications when they come out on a weekly basis. Also, you can connect with me in a couple of different ways. You can jump on andrewhacker.com.au. It's my new website with new material and things like that.  

It's also got my masterclass there, and we've got the Fear of Freedom Academy coming out soon as well. You can also jump on Facebook and connect with me by searching Andrewhackettaustralia, all one word, Andrewhackettaustralia. Then that's where all my daily inspiration and everything like that comes out from now.

Thank you so much everybody. You've been listening to Illimitable Living, pure freedom without limits. Thank you again, Patricia. I hope you have a fabulous week. 

Patricia Morris: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You too, Andrew, and as well to our listeners. Thank you. 

Andrew Hackett: Take care everyone.

Patricia Morris: Take care. Bye-bye.