We are not our Body

Of the many misconceptions and preconditioning beliefs that are drummed into us by our Parents, our Education Systems and our Governments, there is one that affects everything we are, and how we relate to the world, and that is our perception of self.

What are we? Who are we?

They are no only questions that have been baffling philosophers for millennia, they are also our
greatest opportunity for creation.

What are you? Well, you are not what you think you are.

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Andrew Hackett: Everybody came from some type of trauma of their past and whether their trauma is to the level or the extent of your trauma is actually irrelevant, because it's still very real for those people. Whether they have lost limbs, been raped, been locked in jail unfairly, all these sorts of things, all of them are part of a journey that we have inevitably signed up for. And the reason being is they are the catalyst that helps create us to help us do what we came here to do, to fulfill the purpose. 

Good day, and welcome to Illimitable Living. I'm Andrew Hackett and I'm here to talk about living a life free from fear's restrictive boundaries, so that you can not only live a limitless life, but so that you can become truly illimitable. I am here in sunny Australia, talking with my remarkable co-host, Patricia Morris, as we take you on a journey, delving deep into the mysteries of the universe and how we live within it. Join me on a journey towards living a truly limitless life on the Illimitable Living podcast.

Good day, everyone. You're listening to Illimitable Living, a podcast where we talk about the things that everybody else isn't talking about, so that we can start to make real change in our lives. I'm here with the wonderful Patricia Morris. Good day, Patricia, how are you doing this week?

Patricia Morris: I'm doing great. Thank you, Andrew. It's a pleasure to join you again this week. 

Andrew Hackett: The pleasure is all mine. I love it when we get together and chat. I always feel great afterwards.

Patricia Morris: Me too. 

Andrew Hackett: So what did you want to chat about today?

Patricia Morris: Well, I've been thinking a lot lately because what attracted me to this type of work is I have a lot of health issues, and a lot of them I've been able to resolve through the alternative holistic lifestyle. I've noticed a trend as well in the clients that I see, that they are kind of fed up with the Western medical world of just kind of putting a bandaid or a plaster, I think that's how you say it in Australia, doesn't really get to the core issue of the health problems.

I know often, what can happen when there are people who suffer from multiple health issues, you start to get to a place in your mind of feeling like this is who you are. You are diabetes or you are heart disease or you are chronic pain or fibromyalgia, whatever it is that you may have. And the reality, really, is that we are not our body, we are not our physical representation. We are multi-dimensional beings, we are capable of healing ourselves on many levels. 

And this is something that I try to get across to my clients as well, because I'm what's called a healer. I'm a licensed massage therapist and I also do energy work and that kind of thing.

So Andrew, would you say you kind of have that same clientele, that is kind of fed up with the run around they get from the medical, the Western medical world, and they have a lot of health issues, and they come to you for help with resolving that kind of thing?

Andrew Hackett: Yeah. Look, great question, Patricia, and thank you for asking it. I do. I get a lot of people that are just fed up with their lives. A large part of why they're fed up with their lives is the medical, physical situation they find themselves in, e.g. body aches and pains, illnesses, whether it's neurological, autoimmune diseases, whether it's even just depression and anxiety disorders, a whole range of different things.

The interesting thing is, what I find predominantly in the world, pharmaceuticals have their place and I just want to precursor all of this discussion. I'm not a medical professional. I'm not a doctor. I'm a health and wellbeing specialist from a holistic perspective. I advocate very, very strongly, we must, to solve all of the big issues in our lives, we must look at both the mind, the body and the spirit. And I make no apologies about that.

And the reason being is because we are as a holistic being, made up of the mind, the body and the spirit. I have too many people coming to me saying I want to sort my mindset. And this is one reason why I don't really call myself a mindset coach, because mindset coaching is only dealing with one aspect of it Yes, addressing the mind is really important. That is ultimately what is letting 99% of the people down. I completely support that thought process. But we've got to deal with the body. 

Someone said to me many years ago, when I told them about what my full strategic plan was for the next 20 years, they said to me, "Andrew, if you are going to achieve that, you cannot do it with your body in the state that it's in at the moment." He said, "That's just not possible. You're not going to have the energy, you're not going to have the stamina, you're not going to have the physical capability to do it. You need to get on top of your health, you need to start looking after yourself, you need to exercise more, lose a bit of weight," all that sort of stuff.

Dealing with the body is really, really, really important, in just as much as we are needing to connect with, accept and understand the spiritual aspects of our being. Now, again, I don't care what religion you come from, your belief system is your belief system, you've got every right to believe that, and I will always honor you and your right to believe whatever you want to believe.

But the spiritual aspect is inherent with everybody. Some things are truthful, whether we accept them or not. We are a spiritual being, having a human experience. We chose to come here, to live in this body, to experience what we want to experience, and that's physical life, that is pain and suffering, that is the trials and tribulations. We need to carry the wood and chop the wood, so to speak.

I had a beautiful friend of mine who's a health and fitness expert, a remarkable lady up north in Queensland or northern New South Wales in Australia, and she said, made the comment the other day at an event she actually was on stage for in the US. And she said, "Look, we've all been fairies, we've all been angels. We've all been those wonderful things. You came here to live this life, stop bloody whinging about it and get on with it, and accept the fact."

Karen Andrews is her name and she's a remarkable lady and I just love her for being so forthright and to the point, and she's absolutely correct. We've all had those wonderful lives in our past. As much as we've all been the perpetrators as well. But ultimately speaking, we came here to experience what are experiencing, stop whinging about it and just revel in it. Enjoy it, see the beauty in it.

Yes, that is difficult when you've got a chronic illness or a disease but I'm telling you right now, there is a reason why you have a chronic illness and disease and that's because you're not doing what is required to make it go away.

Patricia Morris: Yes, yes. It brought to mind of... I know a lot of people who are overweight and I'm not trying to put down people's choices, when they make this choice, but they get gastric bypass or something like that to help lose the weight. And yes, many times that is warranted. I get why people do that and that's their choice.

But sometimes what will happen is if they're fixing the body, but they're not fixing the mind and then eventually, a large majority of those patients do regain all the weight back and then some, because they are, what you were just saying, Andrew, only fixing the body and not fixing the mind. Or, if you're fixing the mind, you're not fixing the body. They're all related in so many ways. 

So that just brought to mind what you were talking about, of how we can see that time and time again. Unless we fix our mind, we're not going to fix our body, or unless we fix our body, we're not going to fix our mind.

Andrew Hackett: I completely agree. Look, the interesting thing is ultimately speaking, we put on weight... Weight gain and weight loss is a fairly simple equation, we know enough about it nowadays. It's input of energy versus output of energy, so the more you exercise and the less calories you eat, you're going to lose weight.

However, the problem with that though is if we don't deal with the mind-based issues that led us to overeating or eating the wrong things in the first place, as soon as we lose the weight we go, "Great, job done, I've lost the weight," and we go back to it. And this is why a lot of women particularly seesaw in their weight loss and weight gain, is because actually losing weight in itself is actually easy. Again, you just stop eating the rubbish, you eat more greens, you have a healthier lifestyle in regards to your intake. Cut out alcohol, sugar, and all those sorts of things, and you exercise more. If you do those things, really, it is actually relatively simple.

Patricia Morris: No, it is.

Andrew Hackett: Of course. The problem is we use... If I said to you, "Do you drink alcohol, do you take cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines and stuff like that?" you'd go, "Well no, of course not." And I would say to you, "Well, do you know why people do that?" And most of the time it's to deal with shame and guilt issues associated with things and the addictive response kicks in and they keep taking them.

The problem though, is we do exactly the same thing with sugar. Everybody does it. Sugar is so widely available. The sugar lobby managed many, many years ago to convince scientists to put forward evidence to make it look like fat was the problem in our diets and fat isn't the problem with our diets. Sugar is the problem in our diets.

The problem is now is there a sugar in absolutely everything. And that's great for the sugar lobby. They've done very, very well out of it. But the issue is we need to change the way we are thinking and doing all of these sorts of things. And if we do not address it in our body, if we don't change the diets, make the decisions that are necessary, we're not going to be able to change anything.

And I've done this a few times and look, don't get me wrong, sugar is a major, major issue for me, because it's so easy to go back to, and it's so yummy as well. 

Patricia Morris: It is.

Andrew Hackett: It's like the whole apple pie and ice cream. If that doesn't make you feel better for at least 10 minutes, I don't know what doesn't. But the problem is after that, the shame and the guilt and the, "Well actually that really didn't kind of have the desired effect that I really wanted it to have, I might go and have another bowl."

We end up in this terrible cycle. And I've figured out from my own experience that all of my physical and medical issues that I've had over the years, every single one of them is dietary-related. 

Patricia Morris: What's funny though is... Sorry.  

Andrew Hackett: No, no, no. Go on.

Patricia Morris: I just have to say from the female perspective, it is simpler for men to lose weight than it is for women. I just have to say that, because my husband can drop weight like nothing, all he has to do is do something simple like cutting out his daily soda pop, and he drops 20 pounds immediately. Me, I have to exercise for an hour, I have to really restrict my calories, I have to really, really put a ton of effort into it. And meanwhile, he's just dropping it like that. And I'm just losing at a slower pace. And that's just because women's metabolism is wired a little bit differently. So I just wanted to interject that just a little bit, because-

Andrew Hackett: Very good. Thank you.

Patricia Morris: ... we, females are a little bit different that way.

Andrew Hackett: This is why you're on the podcast too, Patricia. That's why we do this because you add the elegance behind in the elegance and intelligence, behind the neanderthal that's on the other end, so-

Patricia Morris: I like that, elegance and intelligence.

Andrew Hackett: Look, you're absolutely right. The way women's bodies have built a slightly different, particularly when you start edging towards time periods like menopause as well. Weight gain is actually more about fluid and stuff like that is what I understand, and it's all about trying to get the hormones to balance out as the hormones start to change. 

What I'm trying to say though is we need to be very careful about how we seek help, because... And I'm not going to trash doctors. Doctors do a great job, they're well trained in lots of stuff. But they're not trained in diet and nutrition, and more to the point, the benefits associated with how diet and nutrition helps heal things within the body. This is where dieticians and naturopaths and all that sort of stuff is such a growing and booming business, is ultimately speaking, doctors are trained by the pharmaceutical industry effectively, and pharmaceuticals can be very effective. They target a very specific thing incredibly efficiently.

The problem is some pharmaceuticals, and we've seen enough evidence of all of this, they can create a whole range of other issues. For instance, I hear too often of women who go on antidepressants, and then they put on weight, and then they think, "Why am I putting on weight?" And it's because it's a known side effect of the antidepressant. Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if a woman is depressed or has issues particularly with self-esteem, usually it's weight-related, and going on antidepressants that help them pack on weight is only going to make the depression worse. 

Now, this is where there are some natural solutions and stuff, and you and I were talking off air, Patricia, about some natural solutions that I recommend and suggest that can help deal with anxiety and depression, that can help deal with a lot of neurological issues, autoimmune issues and all that sort of stuff, particularly because it nips in the bud what is going on for people. 

I'm happy to have that discussion with people if people want to email me. Send me an email to andrew@andrewhackett.com.au. That's andrew@andrewhackett.com.au. And I'll happily have a discussion with you about some natural solutions that are proven through an American company with the highest standards of quality control and everything like that, so that they can start making a real difference in their life.

It will not replace good diet, it will not replace the need for exercise, it will not replace the need to make good choices and sound choices. But I use that particular range of products to help boost people. While we deal with the mind, it then helps boost their physical side of things, so that then we can start making the right and appropriate choices to diet and exercise and the overall strategy in health and wellbeing for them moving forward, because ultimately speaking, everybody's looking for a solution that they can easily take. 

The problem is some of these things are long-term solutions that we need to implement. We need to change behaviors, we need to change belief systems that create the behaviors and the rules that underpin both. These are the real things that we need to do, but dealing with the body's no different to dealing with the mind. We need to figure out what needs to be addressed, keep what is working for us, get rid of what's not working for us, rebuild what's not working for us into something that works for us, and then keep implementing that consistently over an extended period of time, so that we start creating behavioral patterns, positive behavioral patterns that don't involve alcohol or drugs or pie and ice cream in my case, that don't involve those sorts of things so that we can do this.

For anybody who's followed the quit sugar kind of idea, you'll know that after a few weeks of quitting sugar, your palate changes, and suddenly vegetables start tasting incredible again. And these things are really, really important for people to understand. There is a solution to these problems. There really is a solution to these problems. Anybody who tells you that there isn't just hasn't looked hard enough. There are real, tangible solutions to them. The problem is for it to implement into your life, you have to make the choice to do something. I say all the time. A lifetime of change is only one choice away, and the choice is just simply to do something about it.

Patricia Morris: Yes, very true.

Andrew Hackett: If you can then find someone who knows how to do something about it, someone like myself, or someone else, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter whether you work with me or someone else. But you need to do it holistically. You need to work on your mindset and the way you're thinking and your beliefs and everything like that that underpins all of that. You need to work on your body, because if you correct the mindset, the body will drag the mind down otherwise. So you need to think about diet, you need to think about exercise, you need to think about the choices that you're making in relation to that. 

It doesn't take anyone a great deal of thinking to realize that if our mind's in a really bad way, we start making poor dietary choices to try and, call it, circumvent or to try and mask the pain and suffering that we're experiencing in a psychological sense. But the key thing as well about moving forward is the spiritual aspect. You touched on it beautifully. We are a metaphysical spiritual being living in a human body. We came here to experience this physical life, because it can't be experienced anywhere else. If we don't look after our body, we are cutting that life short, we are limiting the choices. 

Like someone said to me, "Andrew, if you are going to achieve everything you need to achieve," with the books I want to write, the events I want to hold, the people I want to help all over the world, if I am not in strong physical condition, I will not have the energy to travel, to get up on stage, to do all of that sort of stuff. So I have to start looking after myself properly. Alcohol is one thing that is a really big thing for me, because for 25 years I used alcohol to drown my sorrows, to get away from my shame and my guilt. The problem is it was a self-perpetuating cycle of madness, that I stayed forever in. 

Sugar is another one for me. Physically, when I have too much sugar, I actually get tired and run down. You have too much sugar, it actually damages your immune system, and ultimately speaking, that then leads you to get sick. One plus one equals two. It's pretty simple stuff. It's just there seems to be something about the human condition... We know what is right for us, we know what is good for us, we know what choices we need to make to help us heal and move forward, yet for some reason we're making the opposite choices.

Patricia Morris: What would you say, Andrew, would be some advice you would give to our listeners who are not quite in that mindset yet from the spiritual perspective? What would you say to help people get to that place?

Andrew Hackett: Look, again, spirituality... Everybody thinks that spirituality is this thing full of fairy loving, angel card holding crazy people. And look, there's no question that there's some people out there with some pretty-

Patricia Morris: Pretty out there things, right.

Andrew Hackett: Viewpoints, that's right. At first... look, I'm a really practical guy. I love getting out in the garden. I worked as a management consultant for 20-odd years. Practicality for me is really important, and as it turns out, understanding spirituality and practicality and the importance of bringing the two of them together is actually really important. It's also kind of my superpower, so to speak. When I would come across these love and light spiritual healers all the time, at first as a male, I was just shying away from it and thinking, "Oh god, really? Help me out here, will you?" 

However, it was with a lot of work that I did with the indigenous people in Australia, our indigenous aboriginals, and their connection to the earth and connection to the planet and grandfather moon and grandfather sun, as they call them-

Patricia Morris: I love it.

Andrew Hackett: ... I started to realize that there is so much more going on that we can't even begin to understand. Western Europeans have worked for centuries to destroy the culture of the aboriginal people in this country, for instance.

Patricia Morris: Same in America.

Andrew Hackett: Absolutely. It's happened all over the world. The real tragedy of it is us Europeans are the ones that are getting it wrong. We're the ones that have misinterpreted everything that's going on, and the aboriginal people are the ones that have actually been getting it right. Same with the Native Americans as well. The large part of their belief system, in fact I would say it is an extraordinarily large part of their belief system, is that spiritual angle, is that connection to all that is around us, the single conscious soul. 

That is so important. You don't have to be into fairies, you don't have to be into angels or any of that sort of stuff if you don't want to, and that's completely choice if you are, and I always respect that, because there's... I worked on a farm for a number of years, I owned and operated a farm down in a beautiful place called Tilba Tilba on the New South Wales south coast at the foothill of an extraordinarily spiritual mountain. It's all talked about in my book. Mother Gulaga. Gulaga is the name of the mountain. She's the mother to the indigenous Yuin people of Australia, whereas [inaudible 00:21:08] is the father. So everybody knows [inaudible 00:21:11] or [inaudible 00:21:12]. It is their father, and Gulaga is the mother.

We lived literally in the mother's womb, so the energy there was really strong.

Patricia Morris: Oh, I want to talk to you about this more sometime, this is fascinating.

Andrew Hackett: Absolutely. It's a beautiful story, NAD I talked about it at length in my book, Free From Fear. The fascinating thing about that, even when I was there, I remember there was a particular incident where a ewe was having difficulty giving birth to a lamb. I had a farmhand there, it was a remarkable young man who helped me with all of my animal management, because he was born and raised on a farm himself and all that sort of stuff. 

Anywhere, we were there. The lamb coming out had one front leg forward and one front leg back. Usually, it's tip of the snout first. They pass through the head first, and then all the legs are folded back and they come out nice NAD easily. But this poor little fellow had one leg out, as well as the head. And we tried everything. Anyway, I had this little voice pop up into my head, and still to this day, I can't explain it. I just don't understand it. But I had this voice pop into my head just saying, "There are other beings around here that can help you. You've just got to ask for the help."

I remember sitting there with this very ocker Aussie, grounded farmhand right next to me, and he just hears me say out loud... Still to this day he still just doesn't understand it either because it's not his thing, and that's fair enough. He hears me say out loud, "Okay guys, I don't care who's here. I just need some help here because I want to save this little lamb." Then literally three seconds later this lamb just plopped out on the floor, on the ground.

Patricia Morris: I believe it, I believe it. I've seen too much in my own life with that too, so I believe it.

Andrew Hackett: Whether it's pixies, whether it's fairies, whether it's angels, whether it's higher beings, it doesn't really matter what your belief system is, there is something going on. There is this universal higher source that is happening, and if we can just accept... I say to people, "I'm not asking you to sign up to it [inaudible 00:23:24]. Again, let this develop over a period of time, and you settle wherever your truth sits comfortably with you." But if we can just accept that there is the slight possibility that we don't know it all, that we don't have it all figured out, that there is something else going on that can manipulate and influence and guide us along a path, the possibilities that come from that are absolutely endless, and I promise you they are beautiful. Truly, truly beautiful.

Patricia Morris: Yes, they are. I agree with that. And would you say, Andrew... Well, let me ask you this first. Do you help clients learn how to meditate, or is that something that you don't do with your clients?

Andrew Hackett: No, meditation is a very large part of the spiritual side of things.

Patricia Morris: Of what you do?

Andrew Hackett: However, there are a lot of different aspects of meditation that people do. A lot of people that struggle with meditation, ultimately speaking, think... There's this thing called transcendental meditation which has a particular structure to it and a particular style to it. For some people it's easy and for some people it's not. I did a lot of meditation training in the Buddhist meditation practices, because that really worked for me, it really resonated with me, and I love the Buddhist way of life as well.

I don't actually, call it sign up, to any particular religious way. I was born and raised Catholic. I disconnected from the church because of the hypocrisy and because of the harm NAD damage they've done to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of youth over decades, with their sexual abuse scandals. But there's a lot of things in Buddhism for instance particularly that resonates with me, as a way we should be thinking and feeling and treating others. To me, it's very natural. 

But meditation in itself can be difficult for different people. There's another fellow who's also Buddhist called Thich Nhat Hanh, who's a remarkable guy, and he talks about mindfulness. And mindfulness is more so about creating conscious awareness to what we are doing day to day. He talks about a walking meditation or a washing the dishes meditation, which is ultimately just taking the time to calm the mind and focus on what we're doing, the steps of what we're doing and the thing. 

Ever since I followed a lot of his work, whenever I'm washing dishes and stuff like that, I actually really enjoy it now. I know that sounds completely mad, and maybe I am, maybe I've just lost my mind, but-

Patricia Morris: Hey, whatever it takes to enjoy washing the dishes, right?

Andrew Hackett: That's right, that's right. Fortunately, a lot of my dishes are now done by the dishwasher, which is not my wife just for those people that are out there. I wouldn't be brave enough to say that. It's actually a mechanical dishwasher, but I stack dishes into it and put it on. I expect to be growled at later when she listens to this podcast.

Sorry, I digress. Meditation is a big part of it. You think about people like [inaudible 00:26:32] and other business leaders that are really using meditation to get extraordinary results even in business, and all that is about is acknowledging and connecting to and being consciously aware of the spiritual aspect of the mind, body and spirit.

Patricia Morris: Yes, exactly, and that's why I was asking about meditation, because for me, the most healing aspect of coming to terms with that I am not my body or my physical representation came through meditation, because what it ultimately does is you do start out... Like you were saying, you can do a washing the dishes or a walking meditation, and those are doable for most people who are first starting out on this, because it just helps you become more aware and more mindful of what's going on internally with you, maybe what's going on externally, all those things. So you're able to train your brain to tap into more easily that kind of frequency.

What eventually happens is, as you get more experienced with this, you start picking up on more things as you meditate. At least I'm just speaking from my own experience and what I've taught, because I teach meditation as well to clients. What I ultimately see happening in their own lives and in mine as well is they eventually do get to a place where the spiritual aspect kicks in and it turns into a more spiritual thing. And I don't mean God, Jesus or religion or anything like that. I mean, feeling the connection to all that is, feeling the connection, feeling your own divine connection, whatever that looks like for you.

It's oftentimes when you can quiet your mind and connect to that divine connection, your inner guidance inside, that you are able to get those answers and actually realize in a way that cannot be described in the human language that you are not your body, you are not your physical representation. You are so much more than this physical body. And that's not to diminish or minimize our physical body, because these are a gift from the universe. That's how I see it. This is definitely a gift, this life that we have. 

But also we need to realize too that whatever health ailments we're suffering from, whatever physical challenges we may have... There are people who have missing limbs or missing body parts, whatever, that they'll never get back again, and other health issues that may never get better. The thing that I would love people to understand is, at least through meditation, that is a way to help speak to your soul on a soul level of who you really are. 

Andrew Hackett: Absolutely. That's really important too. I completely agree. This is why I talk to people about subjects like we are not our body, we're not our physical representation, because not only is it a universal truth, but when we start to really engage with it, really connect with it at a conscious level, we start to realize that a lot of our fears come about being harmed. A lot of our fears come about the fact that someone could harm us or could cause us harm, whereas in fact-

Patricia Morris: Protection, that kind of thing.

Andrew Hackett: Correct, that's exactly right. But if we start to really clearly identify with the truth of the fact that we are in fact a spiritual being, we are a formless, metaphysical being, and we are just experiencing that through a physical body, the true us, the true sense of us that lives on internally and never, ever dies, can in fact never be harmed. It's not possible. The soul knows this. 

Patricia Morris: Our higher self.

Andrew Hackett: Correct. That's right. Whatever you want to call it, that's right. Then we're just left with our physical representation, and we've been led to believe through generations, if not centuries of teachings that we are our body, that our body lives and dies, and that perhaps once we die, we then go off to heaven or we don't. Either way. The thought of the matter though is ultimately by associating ourselves as not our body, e.g. as the [inaudible 00:30:43] metaphysical being that we are, we start to then see the physicalness of our body as a separateness type of aspect as well, and we can start to then identify it in what I refer to as a lot healthier a way, because it's like...

You're using identifying terms, like, "My knee hurts," as opposed to, "My body's knee hurts." Or, "My head hurts," or, "I've got a pain in my head." They're different ways of looking at it, that actually tends to free us of a lot of the troubles that are happening. The other day I went and shifted a couple of ton of firewood. It was one of those jobs that I always cringe at the thought of, but while I'm doing it, I then revel in it, because of the mindfulness aspect that I bring to it. And I really enjoyed doing the work, because I used to say it all the time, we need to chop the wood and carry the water. It's what I came to this planet to experience. You cannot experience that in the non-physical space, in the spiritual realm, you just can't.

In fact, you can't even experience pain and suffering in the non-physical world. You can't experience trauma. You can't experience fear. You can understand them as a concept, because you once you experienced them, but you cannot actually experience them in the non-physical space. So we come here to experience this. I came here to experience these things.

Now, let's take that a little bit further. When we're in the non-physical space, we map out a journey for our next life. We then incarnate into the body to fulfill that journey that we have set up before us. However, we forget what that journey is because it's part of the process, and then we spend our lifetime searching for what that journey was, and once we find it, we hopefully implement it, and we go about our way.

Now, some people, their journey has been to experience physical difficulty. Their actual choice before they incarnated into this body was to experience the trauma of a body not working properly, of a body suffering pain, of a body doing those things. I know it sounds like a bit of a cop out, but what it is, I actually believe that they are in fact the more highly enlightened beings to have chosen that journey. Whether it is someone who is autistic and nonverbal, whether it is someone who is in a wheelchair that doesn't have the use of their arms and legs, whether it is someone like...

I adore people that carry a condition with them called Down Syndrome, and just the happiness and the joy that they bring and all that sort of stuff. I just want to hug them and say, "Thank you so much for showing us that one can live without the mental pain and suffering that us so-called more intelligent beings walk around with."

What I'm saying is, in the same way a lot of people say, "If we're in the spiritual realm..." and this may be even a good subject for an entirely separate podcast. But if when we're in the spiritual realm, we choose a life, choose a journey, and knowing full well that to be able to fulfill that journey we have to experience pain and suffering to get us on track. I chose a journey of being a spiritual teacher. Some people might think, "That's not really that hard a life." However, I knew at the time, and I now know, but I didn't know when it happened, I knew before I incarnated, that for me to be the spiritual teacher, I had to experience a certain type of pain and suffering to enable me to find and see the viewpoint that I need to see to be able to teach people to see it.

For me, that pain and suffering was the sexual abuse that I suffered as a teenager. Without that, I would not have gone down the rabbit holes that I went down in my 20s and 30s, to then come out the other end of it in my late 30s, to then find peace, find the ideas, develop a process so that I can repeat that growth experience, or that evolution in others.

Before I incarnated into the body that I am now, I chose a path. I then signed up other people so to speak. They call them soul-based contracts. Signed up other people to help me with that path. I actually asked my abuser to abuse me. I know this is a really controversial point, and I'm not suggesting that everybody needs to accept this point, I'm just saying this is my belief and the way that I have unpacked it over a period of time. 

That then led me to experience what I needed to experience to put me into the situation that I needed to put me into, and so I eventually reached my rock bottom, and I talk about all the time that our rock bottom is actually our savior, because it is the one single catalyst that propels us out of our pain and suffering and gets us to actually take the action required to actually make the changes that we need to make, which is exactly what I did over a decade ago.

And that then led me down a path to read and research, to talk to people, to find teachers, to do events and seminars and weekends and all this wonderful stuff, so that then I can then learn and understand what I needed to learn and understand, because you've got to learn and understand these things before you can unpack them, before you can then process them, develop them into a path so that you can actually help others by repeating it in others as well.

Patricia Morris: Amen.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah, that's right.

Patricia Morris: So true.

Andrew Hackett: This is why I work in a holistic, mind, body and spirit sort of sense. This is why the spiritual aspect is so important as well. If we keep identifying ourselves with the limitations our physical body has, we cannot possibly be able to reach a stage of being limitless or in my case what I believe the end point is being illimitable. Illimitable means incapable of being limited.

Now, that's where this whole mind, body and spirit thing comes in. The identification with the body. We are not our physical representation, we are not our body. If you are a 400-pound hairy truck driver, you are not actually a 400-pound hairy truck driver. That is just how you have been chosen to represent in this physical world. Physicality is physicality. There are definitely some benefits and some ways to fix in physical problems with metaphysical solutions. There's no question about that, it's been proven time and time again.

However, we also need to acknowledge the physical aspect of it. We can unblock as many chakras as we want, to try and deal with a weight issue for instance. But if we are still drinking too much soda pop as you call it, or soft drinks, if we are drinking too much alcohol, if we are eating too much apple pie and cake, it is not going to stop me from becoming an Oompa Loompa. It's as simple as that.

Patricia Morris: An Oompa Loompa.

Andrew Hackett: I need to wake up to myself and say, "Right, I need to cut out the sugar," which I've done. I need to cut out the alcohol, which I've done. I need to cut out the soft drink, I need to cut out the apple pie and ice cream. In my particular case as well, I really need to cut out my bread, because my bread adds to a level of bloating my body that I know doesn't work for my body.

Andrew Hackett: Whenever I have bacon and eggs, for some reason, I've got to have it on bread. You'd think I would've learnt. But I'm just saying, this is a lifelong journey that everybody has. It's just some people are more determined. They prioritize their health and wellbeing in a physical context over perhaps their mindset context or their psychological context, perhaps even over their spiritual context. All I'm saying is we need to prioritize them equally, because it is the holistic solution that delivers lifelong changing results.

Patricia Morris: Exactly. Before we go, I just want to give a final thought if that's okay, because you touched on something that I would love to talk about with the listeners. When you mentioned that you were sexually abused and you chose that and you made possibly a spiritual contract with the person who abused you to have that happen, I really resonate with that, NAD that's just my truth. And again, I don't expect everybody to take that on as their truth, but this has just been my own experience with that as well. Not just sexually abused, but I've had multiple health issues my entire life. It just seems like there's always one thing after another that pops up.

And I know for me that I signed up for this because most of them are issues that I was born with. It's not a result for me of life choices that I've made, but of course diet and nutrition and exercise definitely helps manage those symptoms from those health issues that I've had, so I do try to incorporate diet, nutrition and exercise to help manage it.

But what I wanted to say was being that when you were sexually abused, that would be considered a dark period of your life. Would you agree with that?

Andrew Hackett: Very much so. Absolutely, the darkest, yes.

Patricia Morris: Exactly, as it can be for other people when whatever challengers they're facing in their life... it does present a period of darkness. But what I wanted to say is to offer a ray of hope for people who are in that place right now, because the darkness can actually serve us if we let it. Let's say if you're challenged physically in some way, know that the darkness can actually serve you if you let it. The point I want to make is you have full choice whether you decide to let that serve you or whether you decide to do something else with it, and not live up to what your potential could be if you let it serve you.

Andrew Hackett: I completely agree with you, Patricia. You're right, we can make a choice at any point to make it serve us. That choice ultimately is one accepting that it is even present, that it has even happened, and that there is reason behind it. The analogy I use all the time is every single motivational speaker you have ever seen in your life has come from a traumatic experience. People who get up on stage that have been caught for instance... There was one guy in Australia who was caught in a landslide. Stuart Diver was his name. Remarkable man. He was buried for days in this mudslide that happened up in the snowy mountains. His wife died in that same mudslide. But he became an extraordinarily powerful motivational speaker as a result of it. 

You talk about Brene Brown. Everyone knows Brene Brown and the beautiful story that she's got about her son and vulnerability and everything like that as well. Tony Robbins as well, needs no introduction. Everybody came from some type of trauma of their pasts, and whether their trauma is to the level or the extent of your trauma is actually irrelevant, because it's still very real for those people. Whether they've lost limbs, been raped, been locked in jail unfairly, all these sorts of things, all of them are part of a journey that we have inevitably signed up for, and the reason being is they are the catalyst that helps create us, to help us do what we came here to do, to fulfill the purpose.

This is why I talk so specifically about your uniqueness, what's so special about you, NAD your experience throughout life, and what you're passionate about are the two main characteristics to finding your path in life. I've seen it happen too many times. I've orchestrated it in others too many times. The traumas that happen are quite deliberate, orchestrated by the universe, to get us to where we need to get to, to help us understand what we need to understand. Body aches and pains, illnesses, in my opinion, are no different. I know I'm oversimplifying it, and it's also coming from someone who has never suffered from a chronic or a terminal illness.

However, everybody who has ever died in my life that I have ever known has all died from a chronic illness or a terminal illness. Every single one of them. I've done a lot of work with people in regards to that sort of idea, and see their pain and suffering. I also see the freedom that comes from their death. And I therefore celebrate death as a beautiful thing, not as something that needs to further perpetuate trauma and stuff like that on the living.

But again, that's my own experience and everything like that. I say to Michelle, not all the time, but every now and then, if I was to ever lose either one of my children or to lose Michelle to a tragic and sudden death, I think I probably would change my perspective on that, if only for a short period of time. But ultimately speaking, we can only go by what our experiences are, and the universe needs to orchestrate those experiences to get us to see why we came here, to get us to know NAD understand what our purpose in life is so that we can fulfill that, because nobody else can fulfill your purpose than you. 

There is no one else that can do that apart from you, because... and certainly not quickly, because then they would have to go through and experience what you've already experienced from your perspective to be able to understand the lessons from that perspective. As a spiritual teacher or as a mindset coach or a lifestyle coach, or whatever you want to call me, ultimately speaking, I'm not saying anything different to what has been said for millennia. I'm not inventing anything new. All I'm doing is wrapping my perspective around it, putting my slightly Australian slant around it as well, which works for some people, doesn't work for other people, and that's okay as well.

Patricia Morris: No, it's lovely. I love it.

Andrew Hackett: Thank you. But my point being is it is my perspective and through my experience and everything that I have learnt these things, and a lot of research, a lot of reading, a lot of work with spiritual teachers as well. That's what I offer. Someone else might offer a very similar thing from a slightly different perspective, and if that works and gels with you, great, do that. There could be a million of me, and I honestly don't think that there would be enough to really formulate enough change in the world. I don't see myself as having competitors in the business that I do and the work that I do for people, because I wish that there were millions more of me around the world. What I mean by that is not necessarily like me, I wouldn't wish that upon the world... I mean like people trying to help people.

Patricia Morris: You're killing me today, Andrew.

Andrew Hackett: Sorry.

Patricia Morris: I love it.

Andrew Hackett: I'm obviously in a bit of a funny mood today.

Patricia Morris: I love it.

Andrew Hackett: I mean people trying to help people, people trying to use their own life experiences to try and help people. My story can often relate to people who have suffered from sexual abuse and really want to come out of that and forgive themselves for allowing the trauma to self-perpetuate within themselves for so long, or forgive themselves for the drinking or the drug-taking that almost destroyed their life, or forgive themselves for the problem that has been created in their relationships as a result of what has happened to them. Whereas other people might have experienced other traumas like loss of limbs in war-based scenarios or a whole range of different things, NAD they might need to find someone else that they better relate to and all that sort of stuff, and I really honor and respect that completely.

It's just if you're ever looking for someone, find someone who has unpacked it properly, that has created a process that can be implemented in others, and has proven that that is in fact the case, that that, in fact, can work, because you'll save yourself an enormous amount of time, effort and money by engaging the right person that you relate to and everything like that as well.

Patricia Morris: Exactly. I tend to think that, based on our life experiences, those are the type of people that we end up attracting because it's what you've been saying. Those life experiences are there to teach us, and if we can learn from those life experiences, it actually puts that same energy out there of attracting those. Because you've been through it yourself, you know how to help people, you know how to relate to them on that level.

Andrew Hackett: Absolutely, absolutely, I completely agree.

I think we're probably running out of time, Patricia, so thank you so much for joining me today. What a great subject. I've really enjoyed this week's podcast.

Patricia Morris: Oh, I love it. I love when we just delve so deep into subjects like this, and then we end up with probably 20 other subjects that we could talk about, because it just goes from there. It's such a pleasure to have these meaningful conversations with you and with our listeners.

Andrew Hackett: Thank you, and once again, thank you for your female energy, thank you for your elegance and your intelligence.

Patricia Morris: Thank you.

Andrew Hackett: It beautifully balances my own neanderthal, brutish energy as well.

Patricia Morris: Not true. I mean, you're not brutish, not at all.

Andrew Hackett: Well, thank you.

Thank you very much everybody for joining us this week. Please reach out and contact me if you would like some help with some aspects of your life. Otherwise have a super fabulous week, and thank you again, Patricia, for joining us. I've really enjoyed my time with you.

Patricia Morris: My pleasure. Goodbye, everybody. Have a wonderful week.

Andrew Hackett: Thank you for listening to Illimitable Living today. If you want to find out more about living a truly limitless life, then go to andrewhackett.com.au. If you want to connect with me, search for Andrew Hackett Australia on Facebook and like my page, or search for Andrew S. Hackett on Instagram and follow me for daily inspirations. I look forward to connecting with you so that we can start you on your own journey towards illimitable living.