Dealing with feeling like a Fraud

From time to time we all question our abilities to achieve what we say we can achieve.

It is common practice, and influenced by the ever present Ego.

However, a simple change in mindset, can turn our weakness into a strength, as we move forward in our lives and in business.

We have all felt like a fraud at one point in our life, but this is just the Ego talking.

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Andrew Hackett: Good day, and welcome to Illimitable Living. I am Andrew Hackett, and I'm here to talk to you about everything that the world needs to discuss about living a life free from fears restricted boundaries, so that you can not only live a limitless life, but so that you can become truly illimitable. I am here from sunny Australia talking with my remarkable co-host, Patricia Morris, who has her own highly successful podcast series delving into the mysteries of the universe and how we live within it.

Good day everybody, you are listening to Illimitable Living, and I am here with the fabulous Patricia Morris to talk about subjects that I think we really need to engage with rather than the rubbish that is so prevalent on mainstream media nowadays. Good day Patricia, how are you doing today?

Patricia M.: I am doing great, thank you Andrew. Thank you for asking. I'm so happy to be here with you.

Andrew Hackett: Oh, I love having you here with me every week. It is honestly my pleasure. Tell me, what do we want to talk about today?

Patricia M.: Well, I've been going through some heavy stuff lately. And I see this a lot, not just in myself, but in the community of personal development, psychologists, counselors, life coaching, healers of any kind, where when we go through certain things in life, sometimes we can feel like a fraud. Like we're not practicing what we preach, that kind of a thing. 

And I see it a lot where we're overly critical of ourselves, we're expecting perfection because of our professions. We expect perfection from ourselves, but we don't necessarily expect that from everybody else. So, I would like to talk about that today, because I think it's a huge topic that a lot of us struggle with.

Andrew Hackett: That is a great topic, you're right. And look, it's an interesting one that's played out for me many times over the decades. Particularly in my professional past, where working as a management consultant for some 20 odd years, and particularly in commercial management. To be quite honest with you, a lot of the time, I would constantly be faced with the thought, you know, "I'm not too sure I really know what I'm doing here."

It wasn't until later on in my career that I actually started to realize that nearly everybody feels the same. Everybody that ever takes on something new, they feel the same way, like, "I'm not too sure I'm quite ready for this. I'm not too sure I can do this. I'm not even too sure what to do." You know? And, "I feel like a bit of a fraud for thinking or pretending that I can."

I think the reason why this is such a good subject, is because it's not something that people talk about, for one. And this is exactly what this podcast show is all about, Illimitable Living. It's about getting these conversations out about taboo subjects, and difficult things that people have difficulty talking about, so that we can actually start engaging in the dialogue about it.

Because it's an interesting thing. I've always said to people the reason why I was so good at what I did, particularly in regards to commercial negotiation, and negotiation on behalf of people and organizations, was there was never a discussion, or a conversation, or a subject I wasn't willing to talk about.

You know, for me, being open about the fact that a conversation's just a conversation. In some aspects it's similar to people's beliefs around the use of curse words and swear words, you know? And look, I'm not a fan of using them myself, although I do, to be quite honest with you. I think everybody does, but I certainly don't in a professional setting, because I don't think it's appropriate in a professional setting.

But we have this stigma around them, whereas I just see them as words. Like every other word in the language, they're just a word, and it conveys a meaning. Sometimes they can be very effective in conveying a meaning. But again, it's all about I was always confident enough to be able to talk about things that nobody else wants to talk about.

I think in some aspects that really helped me. However, a lot of people, and myself included, we have to go through this period of feeling like a bit of a fraud. Like for me in particularly, before I really embraced the teacher that I have become, particularly in regards to the title of spiritual teacher, which, to be quite honest with you, I'm still not entirely too sure how worthy I am of that yet. But I know that that's just a personal worthiness issue, which has always played out for me across many lifetimes.

For me, this whole aspect of being a fraud ... and that can come from a number of angles. One angle you mentioned, Patricia, was of course all about practicing what you preach. Although I've always been a very, very strong supporter of the need to do that, and I have to do that in my own life, particularly in my work, otherwise people just won't connect with my work if I'm not practicing what I preach.

But there's this element that constantly creeps in, this is the ego at play, of course. You know, the fear-driven ego constantly getting us to doubt ourselves. Do I really know this stuff? Do I know it well enough to be able to teach people? Do I know it well enough for people to connect to it, are people going to think I'm some sort of fraud?

All of these are these sort of fears and doubts that are surrounding that, and it took me years to come to terms with what my path is, what that path looks like, and what I offer to the world as a response to that path. But also to move past the fear of what other people think. I've never really given a lot of value to what a lot of other people think of me.

It's something that my father taught me when I was only 13 years old, when I was trying to deal with school bullying and all that sort of stuff, and he always used to sit down with me and say, "Andrew, why do you care about what these boys and girls think of you?" And it took me awhile to realize that he's absolutely right. Why would I care what anybody else thinks of me?

I care about what my family thinks of me, I care about what I think of me. But ultimately speaking, anybody outside of that circle I ultimately really don't care, because I was able to recognize that what people think of me is actually a reflection of them, not a reflection of me at all, so there's no point giving it the type of energy that it doesn't deserve in the first place.

This fraud aspect is an interesting thing, and again, I think it comes from two aspects. One, that thought of, "Do I know everything?" I can't possibly know everything, but the simple fact of the matter is we don't need to know everything to be able to-

Patricia M.: Right.

Andrew Hackett: ... move forward on it at all.

Patricia M.: And the fact of the matter is that not everybody knows anything anyway. None of us, no matter who you are, no matter how much education you have behind you, no matter how many life experiences you have behind you, none of us on this earth know everything. It's just impossible.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly right. You know, the feeling like a fraud bit is quite interesting, and I always used to, in reflection, I always used to sit back ... and I don't know if you've ever been in this situation, and it has happened to me all too often over the decades, and more and more so nowadays, where you're in a situation where you're talking to someone, and quite literally words are coming out of your mouth, but you genuinely don't know where they're coming from.

Patricia M.: Yeah. 

Andrew Hackett: You know, we see it happen all the time. Wayne Dyer used to talk a lot about it happening with him. Eckhart Tolle totally does it so elegantly, and so beautifully. It's like we are being fed the information that we need at any particular point in time to be able to move forward on our given objectives. I believe that wholeheartedly. 

It's the reason why whenever we do these podcasts, Patricia, I actually don't like any of them being scripted at all, because as soon as you script something, it becomes something slightly stilted, or wooden, or perhaps not authentic. This natural flow of information is actually really, really important I think, because I believe that is part of that divine guidance, irrespective of where your beliefs lie, and certainly irrespective of whichever religion you believe in.

This divine guidance I believe, this intuition as it's called, flows through all of us. We just need to be present and still enough to allow it to come through. And almost have enough faith in it to allow it to flow through us, so that we can be the conduit towards helping others.

Patricia M.: Yes, and I love what you said, because we have to not only allow it to come through, but believe that we're capable of it as well. I think, traditionally, our society has been one where you look to external sources for validation, and for self-worth, and all of that, where you haven't been able to develop that intuition as much because of that. So, it is very important, and I'm so glad that you mentioned that, because it brings us to a feeling of "Well, I'm not capable of that." Because we haven't had to develop that yet. We haven't had experiences where we know how to listen for that intuition or that divine guidance.

Andrew Hackett: Completely agree. Absolutely, and I think this is a large part of this feeling like a fraud discussion. Because, ultimately speaking, what enabled me to move on from feeling like a fraud, particularly in my professional career, was that I started to realize that everybody else is in exactly the same boat. Everybody else has the same thoughts and feelings about it, and rarely do we get to a point in our career where we are the ultimate expert in the world.

Very, very few people actually ever get there, which means everybody below that point, you know, using an analogy like a hierarchy, although I don't believe in hierarchies. Using that analogy that everybody below that point ultimately has every, perhaps, perspective to kind of feel a bit like a fraud because they're not the ultimate expert.

But the simple fact of the matter remains, and I say this all the time. Particularly in my day-to-day business, I did a lot of exploration in the past about who my particular customer was, and also who my competitors were. And I had my strategist coach at the time, and even us coaches, even us lifestyle coaches we still need coaches. Everybody needs coaches in my mind, because it helps accelerate results tenfold.

He kept saying to me, "Andrew, who are your competitors?" And I kept saying to him, "I don't have competitors. I don't feel like I am in a competitive marketplace." And the reason being for that is my inherent belief that if there were a thousand of me, or even a million of me, I still don't think there would be enough people in the world to help everybody else.

He was often saying, "Oh, what about Tony Robbins? What about Wayne Dyer? What about Eckhart Tolle? What about all of these other types of teachers and personal growth experts, and all that sort of stuff?" I said, "Well, yes." 

But I said, "I'm not competing for the same people that they are. I'm here to tell my message. I'm here to offer myself as the person that wants to help people, and help them grow and all that sort of stuff. And if someone wants to connect with me, that's within their rights. That's their beliefs that they can do that at any particular point in time. In the same way, if they want to go somewhere else, and want to go and talk to someone else, in fact, I encourage it." 

I've had a number of spiritual teachers over the years, and I've had a number of coaches over the years. And from time to time, we outgrow our coach or our teacher and that, and then we move onto the next lesson or the next thing we need to learn about. That's part of the beauty of it all, and in fact, it's something I always encourage any of the people that I work with, my clients, to embrace the idea.

Don't just listen to me, don't just read my books, don't just connect with me. Read other books, connect with other people, because that's ultimately what we're here to do. In the same way I think there are millions of teachers out there. Particularly over the millennium, particularly over thousands of years, we are ultimately all really saying the same thing.

We're just using a different language. You're using different cultural ... our backgrounds, and mechanisms, and our communication structures and styles to get that message across, because that message needs to be reinforced, and reinforced, and reinforced. Not just from me, but from hundreds of others, if not thousands of others.

Even some of the people that I've work with, and that I have taught, are now off doing their own thing. I really admire and support them for that, because, ultimately speaking, they've chosen a path that's pretty similar to mine, and that is literally just to try and help others. And if we are caught up in this feeling like a fraud business, it's very, very difficult to move through. It's very, very difficult to move past.

Because we all have our own value, and some people will connect with that value. It's like being out on Facebook, the haters always come out on Facebook and they always will.

Patricia M.: Yeah, they do.

Andrew Hackett: I just see that as a reflection of them, and I move on. It is what it is. I can't control, and I certainly don't want to for that matter, anybody's thoughts, or anybody's belief systems, or anything like that. All I do is offer a different perspective to that. Again, even for myself, it's taken me a long time to move past that feeling like a fraud, a long time to see the value in what I offer.

Wayne Dyer went through exactly the same process. In fact, Wayne Dyer used to talk all the time about he can be one of the greatest spiritual teachers in the world, but he goes home. He used to say all the time, "Don't call me a great spiritual teacher. Just ask my wife or my kids, and they'll set you straight."

That was such a great perspective to have on it, because I find it hilarious. You know Michelle, my partner? She jokes all the time about what I do, and we try to keep it very light, and full of humor. We don't like to take any of it at all too seriously, because that's not what this path is about. It's about experiencing life, and loving life, and enabling life to express life as life itself.

But sometimes she just looks at me and said, "If only the world would know what life is like at home." It's always such a good laugh. Neale Donald Walsch used to say it all the same, exactly the same thing. He said why is it so easy when he's up on stage to be that spiritual guru, but ... and they're my words, not his. But as soon as he goes home, it becomes almost impossible to follow through on.

That's the tough bit, because at home, we have an opportunity to just completely relax, to be ourselves. And it's not that I, or Wayne Dyer, or anybody else, it's not that we're role playing. It's not that we're being inauthentic. It's just when you get home, you have the opportunity, and it's almost okay to lose your cool with your family a little bit, because you know that they're going to love you back. They're not going to just suddenly run for the hills, because we love and accept each other for our faults and our values. And I think that's really, really important.

That doesn't make us a fraud, though. That doesn't make us incapable of doing what we're doing.

Patricia M.: Yeah, so I absolutely agree, because I think sometimes we just put that unnecessary pressure on ourselves, and it's like you said, it's not that we're being inauthentic. I think what can happen is that we are humans too, where everybody is a human being subject to all kinds of different emotions, different ways of responding to the environment around you. 

So that when you are on stage, like you said that Wayne Dyer would be, and then he would go home. I'm sure he practiced a lot of what he preached, it's not that he didn't. It's just that when life comes at you sometimes full speed, it can knock you unaware, and you have to find your footing again. 

And sometimes to find that footing, you have to have compassion for yourself, and not expect perfection. I think that's where some people can feel like a fraud sometimes is expecting perfection from themselves when that is a heavy burden, a heavy load to carry, because they're not allowing themselves to be that human part of themselves. They're expecting themselves to be beyond that, and that's not realistic.

Andrew Hackett: I completely agree. Absolutely. You know, it's like the old adage it's better to just get something done than waiting until it's perfect, because there is no such thing as perfection. I've got to be really clear as well, nobody wants to connect with perfection either.

Us Australians, we're a really cynical mob. We have this thing called tall poppy syndrome in Australia, where someone becomes highly successful, or a successful teacher, or whatever it is, we really want to cut them down.

Patricia M.: Ooh.

Andrew Hackett: I know. I know it's an awful thing, and I really dislike it intensely, but what it's drawn from, it's actually coming from our own fears of our own self-worth and value. That when someone else is seen to be succeeding, it actually reminds us ... and more to the point, our ego takes it with full swing, and really uses it to take control of us as well. It reminds that we're not where we want to be.

And so, we bring out, as I call it, the pitchforks and the torches, and we run off to burn to the witch. It's not a great part of Australian society, and I don't know whether many other cultures are very similar. But ultimately speaking, it's something we need to collectively work through, because it really isn't very healthy for us in that regards at all. Being reminded of not being perfect is a real big issue for a lot of people, and it's where a lot of disease lie, certainly in the work that I've done with a lot of people.

Patricia M.: Yes, that can show up in so many ways, and one way you kind of touched on a little bit earlier in the conversation was you mentioned how people were mentioning to you, "What about Wayne Dyer? What about Tony Robbins?" And you said, "Well, even if there were a thousand of me, we wouldn't have enough to help everybody."

I think another way to say that, if I'm understanding your statement correctly, is we tend to compare ourselves to others. Maybe believing that somebody knows more on a particular subject than we do, or that we're not nearly as capable as somebody else is. And getting stuck into that trap of comparing ourselves to other people can really keep us stuck in this feeling of we are a fraud, because we're not as good as somebody else, or at least we think we're not, or we perceive ourselves to not be as good as somebody else, or as knowledgeable, or wise, or whatever the case may be.

Andrew Hackett: You're absolutely spot on, and in fact, the phrase that I've heard before is ... and this is definitely because of the prevalence of social media and the fact we have access to information all the time now. I mean, we walk around with our phones constantly connected. What is actually happening is we as individuals are comparing our B-roll with everyone else's finished product, with everybody else's final produced, production quality output.

Again, social media, with the way photos are manipulated, and videos are produced, and all that sort of stuff, everything's done to look perfect when, in fact, it isn't. And you know, one of the great analogies is a lot of these photos you see of women comparing the natural state of their body with their posed photos, particularly with the advent of waistbands around yoga pants, and things like this. It's just a really good analogy, and I think everybody can relate to in a similar way that you get the lighting right, and cellulite on your thighs can disappear.

Patricia M.: Yes. 

Andrew Hackett: You know, I do webinars and all that sort of stuff, and I have to be really careful of the lighting that I use, because if I use a warm LED type of light, it makes my skin look ancient, and old, and loads of stuff. But if I have a more of a blue-ish sort of light, it really cleans everything up.

Now this is just basic, standard film stuff, but ultimately speaking, what is happening is we are comparing the B-roll of our life, which is our real, authentic experience, because that's all we view through. Particularly when it's clouded by the ego, and talked down by the ego. But we're comparing it with everybody else's finished, polished product. 

I think that is absolutely disastrous for gaining strength and gaining confidence in what we're doing. For me, for years ... and I talked about this in my book Free From Fear. The early days of my spiritual awakening, I sought a number of spiritual teachers, and a lot of them, in fact, all of the spiritual teachers, as well as a lot of other people, kept sending me this really clear message that I am here to be a teacher. 

To be quite honest with you, I even remember to this day having a discussion with Michelle in the car on the way home of going, "What am I going to teach people? People don't want to have to sit around and listen to what I've got to say." It was all ego talking, it was all just self doubt and worry. Of course, worry's just nothing but a big illusion.

It wasn't until I started to embrace the fact of ... you know, because they kept saying, "Why can't you be a teacher? What makes a teacher a teacher except for the offering of an opinion, or a thought, or a theory, or their giving of a different perspective? What is that?" When I started to explore this, I started to realize actually, you know what? They're right.

To me, a teacher was someone who was extraordinarily, highly educated, more so than everybody else, and was always right. I just had to change my beliefs around all this sort of stuff. We all know that teachers aren't always right. In fact, anybody's who's been to school knows that teachers aren't always right, but that doesn't make them any less of a teacher. It just makes them human.

This whole feeling like a fraud bit is something we need to collectively move past. Now, I'm not saying engage with your ego and think you are the be-all and end-all of everything, because I think that is the other end of the spectrum, and both are actually counterproductive to the end result. Both are counterproductive to the purpose of, for instance, in this instance, being a great teacher would be.

I need the confidence to be able to move forward in offering the different perspective, and also have the belief and the connection within myself to know that those who want to hear that, or are ready to hear that, will connect with that, and that's fine. And those who don't want it, that's also fine. That's completely up to them, and I'll always respect and honor their right to be able to choose to listen to, and react even to whatever they want, and however they want.

Patricia M.: Yeah, you brought up an excellent point. You said something to the effect of we need to move past that feeling like a fraud, or comparing ourselves to others, or whatever it is that is contributing to us feeling like a fraud. What would you say before we wrap up today of how people can start doing that, because I think some people may not be aware of how to start doing that. What would you suggest, Andrew, as a good start for somebody to start moving past that?

Andrew Hackett: Okay. Well first of all, I would start seeing the reality of what's going on around you. Really wake up to what's happening around you. Ultimately speaking, I think we've all got the right to offer ourselves to the world, and I think partly that is actually a core part of everybody's purpose in the world. It's about offering ourselves to humanity, and service of others, to help others. That in itself is probably a podcast all in itself.

Patricia M.: Mm-hmm.

Andrew Hackett: But ultimately speaking, I think what we need to do is we need to ... This is why I walk and talk so strongly about the love and fear dichotomy transcending the ego. If you are having doubts about being able to offer something to world, I'm here to tell you right now that's just your ego talking. Your ego doesn't want you connecting with the world, the ego doesn't want you connected with other, and the ego certainly doesn't want you realizing your ultimate potential. Because as soon as you do, it makes the ego completely irrelevant. 

This is why I talk about feeling like a fraud, or also, the other end of the spectrum, feeling like the biggest expert in the entire world. Both are fraught with value and danger, because ultimately speaking, both come from the ego. If you are engaging with the ego in any way, shape, and form, it will not help you realize your true potential, it will not help you understand, and move forward, and achieve what it is you actually want to achieve.

Ultimately speaking, I believe we're all here. I say all the time we all have a story. We are the hero in our own story. I'm not the hero in anybody's story, I'm just here to help them find the hero in their own story. Ultimately speaking, I think that's really, really important.

We see some remarkable people nowadays that are now very well known, maybe even famous, but they're known for their particular story. But when they were going through that particular story, while that particular story was being created, there was no idea of the fact that this is going to become a great story, or this is going to be brilliant, or I'm going to become famous because of this, or [inaudible 00:27:40].

Brené Brown talks a lot about vulnerability, and I look forward to talking more about vulnerability with you as well, but her personal story, and the vulnerability that she put out to the world and the way the world reacted to that, is a prime example of what I'm trying to say. There's probably no doubt that she had doubts about herself, but we now see her as an incredibly strong, quite remarkable woman, who was really showing the world the benefits of vulnerability, and the like.

This is ultimately where this whole feeling like a fraud is coming down to. It's about being raw with ourselves, and questioning ourselves, and loads of stuff. Yes, a lot of it's ego-driven, but the questions still need to be asked before they can be answered.

I would say to people look at the reality of what's going on around you. Well, I would say 99% of the experts in the world are not actually experts at all. They're just people that had the courage to stick their neck out and offer their perspective to the world.

Patricia M.: Yes. Yup.

Andrew Hackett: We hear of people, you know financial experts, all the time making these predictions about the way things are going to go, or the way things are going to happen. I got to tell you, to be quite honest with you, 99% of them are wrong most of the time.

Patricia M.: Mm-hmm.

Andrew Hackett: Only because you can't be right all of the time. It's just not the way it works. Yes, there are a couple of people that probably have a better strike record than others, and that's fair enough, that's great, but let's not get all caught up in our ego about that. Because again, we end up back in the same problem that we started with, and that was the ego ruling our mind chatter, our ego putting us down, stopping us from connecting, stopping us from realizing our potential.

Because ultimately speaking, I think we all are here to realize our potential. I believe that the path towards realizing our potential, in the same way the path towards finding our purpose and taking action on that purpose is also about transcending the ego, and stepping out of that space, and starting to actually create some healthy beliefs around what we are capable of, and more to the point of why we are here.

Patricia M.: Bingo. Yes. You just said it. That last sentence was bam, right on. I mean, all of it was right on, but especially that last sentence. It was everything in a nutshell.

Andrew Hackett: Look, ultimately speaking, I say to everybody we're all here to have a voice. We just use our voice in different ways. Some people use their voice verbally, like an actual voice. Other people use their voice through their actions. Other people use their voice through empowering others to take action themselves.

Ultimately speaking, we're all here to do our bit. The problem is the vast majority of society have forgotten what their purpose in life is, and that is ultimately what I'm trying to help people find, to help people get themselves back to a state of self where they can see it and be present in that space, and tap into their intuition, so that we can draw out what their purpose is.

Once we know what their purpose is, turning that into a lifestyle, turning into something that is even profitable, so that they can make a living out of it, and then better the world from it. That's the easy bit in my mind. Finding the purpose in the first instance can be a bit of a trick, and I've got a few unique ways of which to help people how to find that purpose, and then how to explore it further so we can build on that, and create a certain lifestyle. That is ultimately what I seek to do for people in the world.

But if we are doubting ourselves, that is going to make that all the more difficult, and so I also work with people they have to step out of that fraud consciousness, that consciousness that they're not good enough, and they need to become aware of the truth behind it. They need to awaken to that truth, and that truth honestly is that we are a thousand times more capable than we ever believed we are. We can accomplish a thousand times more things than we ever actually set out to.

The simple fact of the matter is is we are here to do what we are here to do, and if we don't do what we are here to do, ultimately speaking, there becomes a gap in the universe. And that gap in that universe can't easily be filled by someone else quite readily. So, it slows things down. 

Often, our purpose is also to do something for others that then enable them, or trigger a thought process in them, or awaken them to finding their own purpose, so that they can go off and do their own individual thing. This is the same reason why I was saying earlier I don't believe I have competitors. I don't want to work in a place where I have competitors, because we are all here to do our individual bit, and I will always support anybody's journey in finding their purpose and taking action on that purpose for the betterment of humanity.

Whether that is them doing almost exactly what I do, because there are other versions of me around the place. There's no question about that. Do they deliver it in the same way? Do they have the same backstory? Do they use the same words, and is it as easy to listen to as perhaps I've been told my stuff is? Who knows? That all depends on the individual.

But ultimately speaking, we're all here to do what we're here to do, and if we're all caught in this fraud consciousness, this believing that we're a fraud, and that we really shouldn't, it will shut us down. We will stop moving forward until we actually overcome that and find the beauty that is available to all of us in that.

Patricia M.: Yes, and that is a beautiful thing that you offer people, because I do think in today's world, and in fact just from my own experiencing in seeing clients the way they do in my reiki practice, a lot of time things will come up in their life, and they just feel like they're here to accomplish something important. But they don't know what it is, and they don't even have an idea of how to go inward to find out what that is. That is a huge service that you offer for people to help them learn those tools to look inward, where maybe they've never had to learn that before.

Andrew Hackett: Thank you, Patricia. Yes. Look, it's an interesting thing. Ultimately speaking, I think society, our education system, the people we surround ourselves with, they effectively indoctrinate us into what I refer to as an unhealthy belief system. I'm here to honor everybody and their belief system, that's fine. All I say to people is that if you have got beliefs in your belief system, and they are not empowering you, and they are not moving you forward, I suggest you need to do change them.

Now, you can change them to things that you hear from me that resemble an aspect of your own truth grade, or you can change them to someone else's. What that is is irrelevant to me. All I want is for you to actually take action on it, get out of that negative spiral that you're not worthy, that you're not capable, that you just can't do those sorts of things, and start stepping into a more empowering belief system that opens up possibilities, that creates opportunities. And then more to point, enables you to tap into that intuitive guidance that is available to everyone.

Because once we do, honestly, our potential is completely limitless. Our capability become limitless, and that is ultimately the message that I have for the world, and all I want to share with people, and open them up so that they can go on and just do what it is they came here to do.

Patricia M.: Yeah, I agree. I always joke on my own podcast that that big, fat F word is fear. And I can add another one to that list, fraud is the other big, fat F word that we can add to that.

Andrew Hackett: Yeah.

Patricia M.: But ultimately, it is, the root cause is fear. Yes.

Andrew Hackett: Absolutely, yes. The root cause of everything negative that you're experiencing in life, including your thoughts and feelings, all come down to fear, and you can choose which you want. You can choose either love or fear at any moment as well. So, yeah. I really like that. Another big, fat F word [crosstalk 00:35:38]-

Patricia M.: Yes. It is, definitely.

Andrew Hackett: Well, thank you very much Patricia. It's been such a pleasure talking with you.

Patricia M.: It has. Thank you so much, and thank you to our listeners for joining us again for another episode. I really enjoy joining Andrew and you all every week.

Andrew Hackett: So, if anybody wants to connect with this podcast, please find it, subscribe to it so that you get them coming in each and every week. Also, if you want to connect with me, you can do so through finding me on Facebook. If you search Andrew Hackett Australia on Facebook, I will easily pop up, and you can connect and like my page there. I would welcome people to send me messages and say hello. You know, I love hearing from you all. You can also find me on Instagram through AndrewSHackett on Instagram. There's a lot of daily posts and everything there as well, which is more about daily inspiration and everything like that to get people thinking about things in a different way. 

Of course, if you want to find out about everything that I offer, you can go to There's a whole bunch of stuff there, a great set of free content, and we can start working together if that is something that you really want to do. Thank you very much for coming along today, and I really look forward to talking to you again next week.

Patricia M.: Goodbye everyone.

Andrew Hackett: Take care.